I don’t understand people’s obsession for wanting the US to set a timetable for troop withdrawal. No one wants the US troops to stay in Iraq forever and not least the troops themselves, but surely telling the terrorists “We are going to start leaving Iraq in October” already means they have won. Are these the messages the Democrats want to send to the people responsible for the daily killings of their men? 'Hello Al-Qaida, we are going to get ready to hand over the country to you on a silver platter by the end of this year'.What benefit will come from setting a timetable for the withdrawal of over a hundred thousand soldiers who are providing security for Iraq and its government? Isn’t it a better idea to tell the US troops to leave when Iraq is stable and when there is no longer a need for them? The Iraqi troops are getting stronger day by day, but I seriously doubt their ability in handling the security problems in Iraq. Many Iraqi’s inside Iraq do not even trust them, and several police and army units have proven that they are loyal to various militias and political leaders…not Iraq.
No one can say for certain what will happen if the US suddenly decides to pull out of Iraq…Will Iraq break up into 3 different countries? Will Iran step in? Will the militias and terrorists rule the areas they control? By the same token, no one can say for certain what will happen if the US decides to stay for another 5 years…Will civil war be “openly” declared? Will the mass killings and random suicide bombs continue to ravage the country? Either way, things don’t look so bright for Iraq’s future, but I am certain that the people who will most be excited about a timetable are countries like Iran, Syria and the terrorists. Now that’s not to say that any Iraqi who wants a timetable is a terrorist, on the contrary, many patriotic Iraqi’s think the withdrawal of US troops will be for the better of the country…But it will be the terrorists who will have won this war.
Every Iraqi wants the US to leave Iraq…but should they leave because Iraq has settled down…or should they leave because some politicians in Washington think its time for them to leave?
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Salaam,
this is my first post on your blog; which I really appreciate because of the valuable (background) information. So thank you for this.
About the timetable;
As you said: "Every Iraqi wants the US to leave Iraq". We can also see that the vast majority of the American nation wants also a timetable for the withdrawal. The people who wants the US to stay in Iraq are now a little minority.
I think it is the time to listen to the people, to the nation of Iraq and USA. Because they dont want this anymore.
Politicians must represent and implement the will of their nations.
Regards,
Cihad
You ask more questions than you provide answers but thought provoking none-the-less.
Dear Eye Raki,
"over a hundred thousand soldiers who are providing security for Iraq and its government"
I am very doubtful if they are providing any security for Iraqi people. however; you are right they control the Green Zone where the current government resides and our ministers and politicians work from there and scared to leave.but I agree with your point that in both cases the future of Iraq is very gloomy.
I still see the call of the Democrates to withdraw troops from IRAQ is related to domestic problems and election campaigns rather than serious intention to get out of Iraq. it is omething like the position of the conservatives here in Enland from Blair's position in the War.
thanks
Our Eyes Dream Acid Tears
One land, one people, all asleep
one dream in every mind
all see words of scripture, captive
in a vise of hatred, crushed
distorted words of God, acid
tears, with screaming lips, the captor
feels the kiss of Satan
on his heart.
According to the recent survey of Iraqis, 51% of Iraqis approve of attacks on U.S. soldiers. This statistic is the only one I really need to know. A liberal democracy requires than a very high percentage of people accept the basic social contract ... the 51% statistic proves that Iraq has far too many unsuitable people for liberal democracy at this time.
There is NO QUESTION that U.S. forces should leave promptly at this point. Most of the negative consequences will accrue to those who have been fighting us or who harbor ideologies that favor terrorism. Thus, I don't really care that bad things happen to them. I am saddened that the minority of decent Iraqis will be harmed.
The idea that Iraq would turn into a stable democracy has been absolutely proven to be completely unworkable -- not because of "mistakes" by Americans -- but because of the character of the Iraqi people.
I urge you to consider what would happen if all 24 million Iraqis were swapped with 24 million Germans, Japanese, or South Koreans. Don't you agree that the violence in Iraq would halt immediately? Don't you agree that he new Iraqis would promptly turn in AL Quaeda in their neighborhoods and use their police effectively to get rid of them? Yes, of course. Iraqis are burdened by so much bullshit ideology -- from Islamism, pan-Arabism, anti-Americanism, extreme-Shiism.... What a load of shit they have been born into.
^I really couldn't agree more, even I’m beginning to think that too.
The Iraqi people are so divided in terms of EVERYTHING, i.e. politically and religiously.
There's the dude Sadr but even that is a didvided issue among just the majority Shia lot of Iraq. The government, itself, which is full of inefficient and ignorant masses that are taking full opportunity of sucking Iraq dry whilst it drowns. They’re even divided about their deceased dictator! Was he really a tyrant?
They don't have a single agenda that they are all united upon.
Iraq isn't the first country to be invaded and occupied by the American/western forces, or be stuck in this kind of situation, there are ways of getting out of it all.
I've been reading a lot of Iraqi blogs, and they all seem to be emphasising on how oppressed the Iraqi people are, and how humiliated the world should be. I'm afraid in this shitty world nobody helps anybody and if anybody does its for their own interest, so don’t complain if you fel cheated, you gotta help yourslef, but sadly the Iraqis dont seem very pro-active, They're just waiting for someone else to come and do it for them, just liek removeing their Saddam.
Iraqis seem like lazy people to me (could be wrong) At this rate I see a very flat-levelled dusty Iraq in the future.
Wake up dudes! Smell the coffee, put aside your differences, be strategic and do somthing! *hmph!* *rolls eyes*
I am saddened that the minority of decent Iraqis will be harmed
But in the end you're OK with the genocide thing, right?
First Its all very nice
that your highly informed opinions
can be expressed.
Bush has stated publicly he would
withdraw American forces if asked
Iraqi government asked ...
So all the parliament has to do
is go through the proceedings.
But dear freinds its VERY easy
to call for the forces to leave
when your "but" is not going to
be on the line ... so
The Iraqi parliament ... should
spend a least a week debating the issue with the men serving
in Iraqs Police and Military ...
its foolish to make a move
Without very generous input
from these groups ....
This notion that "things" in Iraq
could not get worse" is totally absurd ....
1) How big is al-Sadrs militia
and what portion of the police
and military are loyal to him ??
Can anyone answer this question
accurately ???
2) How many al-queda operatives
in Iraq now ??... how many flow
in each month and how many
of Saddams security forces
have allied with them ???
Same as above who knows
please no gueses ???
al-Sadr speaks of being a loyal patriotic Iraqi ...
and yet recently 70 police
in Kut resigned out of fear
of being killed by Mehdi army !!!
What a fine patriot threatining to kill decent citizens of Kut ...
Is al-Sadr a resident of Kut ???
Bush has stated for 4 years he wants to see strong local police
and a strong Iraqi national Army
before making major troop
withdrawals ... and here is al-Sadr
preventing the formation of a strong
local police force in Kut a holy
city ....
Al- Sadr wants civil war in Iraq
because he thinks he can win ....
as Iraqi Army grows stronger by
bringing in more members of the former Army al-Sadr will try for the next best thing ... a Hezbolla
type of arrangement ... he maintains his own army and power
center and then threatens the elected government with it ...
just as Nasaralla has threatened
legitimate Lebonese army.
Iraqi should want to see a very strong national army first before
massive US troop withdrawals or else after a bloody civil war
10 times the daily deaths as now
may very well lead to a Lebanon
type situation ... which you do not want .
al-Sadrs role should be political only based on his party's seats in parliament Thats it ...
Thats the way it must be ....
NO INDEPENDENT MILITIAS
Elected officials are expected
to LEAD and make choices
based on intelligent analysis
of data and information that
is not available to all citizens.
If American president obeyed
every Poll of the Americans
the choices would be different
depending on short term events
and they would change every time
something happenned good or bad !!!
Suppose US gets hit by a terrorist
attack ... say Hezbolla cells
from Iran ... say 5000 dead.
And then we took a Poll in US
and 51% voted for the complete
and total annihilation of Iran
with nuclear weapons ... say
destroy in entirety Iran's
top ten cities ....
Would you then be so quick to claim
that Politicians must obey the will
of the people???
There are people in America who feel that the extremist like al-queda are so far gone that nothing will ever stop them ... they feel
the US should deatroy Mecca with
a massive Nuclear strike if we
are EVER attacked by al-queda again.
So dear friends do not think you are so damn smart with your responses ... the "will" of the people changes constantly ...
elected officials get their term in office to make their judgements
Bush has 0ver a year and Iraqi
Parliament has what 3 years ...
Its their job to decide the best course and they will be evaluated
in time
Actually I am pretty damn impressed
with Iraqi people overall ...
They are enduring great hardship
Many have been subject to a massive
campaign of mis-information by
people like al-Sadr and the leftwing zealots of the west.
If a small majority state
out of frustration and possibly even fear on a poll that is OK to
attack Americans ... yes it sucks
but it is to a degree understandable.
But we really all need to see
a drop in civilain casualties
and some political reconcilliation
take place ... its possible if
Maliki can build the Iraqi police
and military up perhaps by 10
20 thousand more by the fall
That US forces will begin drawing
down anyway ....
So everyone should hope for the best anyway and that is a clear
drop in casualties for all groups
except for al-queda ... man I would
love to see 100/day dead for those
bastards
They Were So SCARY now there Leader is a bit SICK :P
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