I was looking back at my old e-mails the other day and stumbled across an e-mail from Trudy Rubin that was sent almost 5 years ago. I was surprised because the e-mail was "read" but it was the first time I had seen it. She had kindly sent me the notes of an interview with my father which I am publishing here with her permission.
I had an argument with my father about the war shortly before he left London for the last time. Over lunch I told him that I was planning to attend the anti-war march with some friends to protest the US invasion of Iraq. He was shocked at first, then said "You can go if you want, but you don't know the meaning of Saddam Hussein". He then went on to explain who Saddam really was and how important it was for someone, anyone, to do something about him. I remember that day very well, because he spoke so much he didn't even have his lunch and because I was still not convinced and took to the streets of London to protest. The lives that would be lost could not possibly be worth a post-Saddam Iraq.
After my fathers death I realised I was indeed ignorant of Saddam so I read a lot more about Iraq's Saddam-era history to learn about the true horrors of Iraq under Saddam. The Iraq-Iran war, the Gulf war, Anfal campaign, the scholar killing-spree, Uday, Qusay, '91 intifada e.t.c and it wasn't long before I realised anything short of a nuclear strike on Iraq would still have been worth it. It seems cruel to say that it was worth all those people who were killed, but their blood was a price Iraq paid to get rid of Saddam. Blood that was willingly given or unwillingly taken. No one chooses who goes and who stays. God, fate, destiny, call it what you like.
After my fathers death I realised I was indeed ignorant of Saddam so I read a lot more about Iraq's Saddam-era history to learn about the true horrors of Iraq under Saddam. The Iraq-Iran war, the Gulf war, Anfal campaign, the scholar killing-spree, Uday, Qusay, '91 intifada e.t.c and it wasn't long before I realised anything short of a nuclear strike on Iraq would still have been worth it. It seems cruel to say that it was worth all those people who were killed, but their blood was a price Iraq paid to get rid of Saddam. Blood that was willingly given or unwillingly taken. No one chooses who goes and who stays. God, fate, destiny, call it what you like.
April 1, 2003
Sayid Majid al Khoei [speaking by satellite phone from a US base outside Najaf]
We are very near Najaf. Inshallah we will go there soon.
It is not true that the Shia are reluctant (to welcome the Americans). From the South till our towns, everyone in the tribes is waiting for the right time to cooperate and show their reaction.
Q: Why aren't they cooperating yet?
A: The people inside - some have cooperated. But they are still under the control of the Baath and the Fedayeen. My town, there is a tight curfew, house arrest, no one can go out, anyone would be shot. That is why it is still difficult for those inside.
In Um Qasr and free areas, they are happy but worried. Not as happy as in '91, they are still not sure (about the future) until the US finishes the job in Baghdad. Once (betrayal) was enough for us. We don't know if the US will leave us alone to face Saddam Hussein again.
If the allies surround Baghdad and show that Saddam is finished...they don't need to really finish (kill) him, but if the people see that the allies won't let him go.
Nobody is allowed to go to the shrine. There is no other way but to invade the city, even if it damages the shrine, the allies must take Najaf soon.
What would make me personally angry, if Saddam's army damages the shrine and then blames the US army. The allies are being very careful to shoot around the holy places. People know that Saddam's men shot the shrine in '91, and that in '91 the allies broke many things but not the Holy Shrines.
If the US finishes the fedayeen, then Najafis can take responsibility to run the city again. If the city is in the hands of the people, there might be spies for Saddam there, but everyone will point out who is fedayeen and mukhabarat.
There are many ways to cooperate (with the allies). We are independent, we came ourselves. It was difficult.
Q: Should there be an (allied) military government?
A: It is too soon to judge. We must wait to see how Iraqis think. The Iraqi opposition sees things totally different from people inside Iraq. The government should belong to them (insiders) not the opposition. They will decide how to build a government. People are still waiting, if Saddam is finished and people take the government things will change.
People won't turn against the Americans. We had too many wars made by Saddam Hussein, one war for eight years, one for seven months. They won't turn against the Americans.
In each city, if people die (in this war), it is hard to say who they will blame. Unfortunately, there is no other choice.
I personally am ready to be killed in order to finish the suffering of the Iraqi people.
Yes, I can trust the Americans. Everyone knows the situation is entirely different than in '91. In '91, the Americans came to liberate Kuwait, not to change the regime. Now Iraqis gave details about Saddam to the Americans. People who demonstrate (against the war, around the world) don't know the meaning of Saddam.
This time the Americans came and said they would finish this. They have sent many messages. I can't speak for the Iraqi people. They are waiting because they don't trust exactly. Tribal leaders say 'we will help, but this is a political game, we will help if we are sure'.
It is true that in Nasiriya Ali Hassan Majid with his own hand shot tribal leaders. People are still scared.
We tell them "Don't rise up in these days.
"Don't fight in the town against the allies.
Sayid Majid al Khoei [speaking by satellite phone from a US base outside Najaf]
We are very near Najaf. Inshallah we will go there soon.
It is not true that the Shia are reluctant (to welcome the Americans). From the South till our towns, everyone in the tribes is waiting for the right time to cooperate and show their reaction.
Q: Why aren't they cooperating yet?
A: The people inside - some have cooperated. But they are still under the control of the Baath and the Fedayeen. My town, there is a tight curfew, house arrest, no one can go out, anyone would be shot. That is why it is still difficult for those inside.
In Um Qasr and free areas, they are happy but worried. Not as happy as in '91, they are still not sure (about the future) until the US finishes the job in Baghdad. Once (betrayal) was enough for us. We don't know if the US will leave us alone to face Saddam Hussein again.
If the allies surround Baghdad and show that Saddam is finished...they don't need to really finish (kill) him, but if the people see that the allies won't let him go.
Nobody is allowed to go to the shrine. There is no other way but to invade the city, even if it damages the shrine, the allies must take Najaf soon.
What would make me personally angry, if Saddam's army damages the shrine and then blames the US army. The allies are being very careful to shoot around the holy places. People know that Saddam's men shot the shrine in '91, and that in '91 the allies broke many things but not the Holy Shrines.
If the US finishes the fedayeen, then Najafis can take responsibility to run the city again. If the city is in the hands of the people, there might be spies for Saddam there, but everyone will point out who is fedayeen and mukhabarat.
There are many ways to cooperate (with the allies). We are independent, we came ourselves. It was difficult.
Q: Should there be an (allied) military government?
A: It is too soon to judge. We must wait to see how Iraqis think. The Iraqi opposition sees things totally different from people inside Iraq. The government should belong to them (insiders) not the opposition. They will decide how to build a government. People are still waiting, if Saddam is finished and people take the government things will change.
People won't turn against the Americans. We had too many wars made by Saddam Hussein, one war for eight years, one for seven months. They won't turn against the Americans.
In each city, if people die (in this war), it is hard to say who they will blame. Unfortunately, there is no other choice.
I personally am ready to be killed in order to finish the suffering of the Iraqi people.
Yes, I can trust the Americans. Everyone knows the situation is entirely different than in '91. In '91, the Americans came to liberate Kuwait, not to change the regime. Now Iraqis gave details about Saddam to the Americans. People who demonstrate (against the war, around the world) don't know the meaning of Saddam.
This time the Americans came and said they would finish this. They have sent many messages. I can't speak for the Iraqi people. They are waiting because they don't trust exactly. Tribal leaders say 'we will help, but this is a political game, we will help if we are sure'.
It is true that in Nasiriya Ali Hassan Majid with his own hand shot tribal leaders. People are still scared.
We tell them "Don't rise up in these days.
"Don't fight in the town against the allies.
"Don't go out."
Sayid Majid tells me he must go, and we agree to talk again in a few days.
Sayid Majid tells me he must go, and we agree to talk again in a few days.



